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March 11, 2009

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Steve Harrison

I am fascinated how several of the posters use the long-abandoned 'Japanimation' name, somewhat proving my idea of the slow filtering of information about America and it's perception of Japanese animation. Blah blah blah.

I suspect Tim might have something to say about American animation staff and how the pay structure is. At least what can be discussed outside of a NDA that is. (my assumption, it's only if you're in the very top ranks, in the producer/director level, that you get anything like a steady paycheck, everything else being work-for-hire and independent contractor status. maybe. )

MattAlt

I suspect the use of "Japanimation" is a deliberate choice to emphasize "anime as the rest of the world sees it," because it isn't something I generally hear in conversation here.

Tim Eldred

All I can throw down on this one is that I get paid a very good wage as a storyboard artist, and just about everyone on the domestic side of any production can probably say the same. But all the actual animating happens in other countries where the dollar goes farther--or at least it used to. I'll be curious to see how much longer that lasts.

Pre-production and post-production are still solid American jobs despite several unsuccessful attempts to change it, and the number of personnel on a given show is much less than it was 10 years ago. The business model has been trimmed down about as far as possible in my opinion.

That said, I'd be very surprised if the contractors in India or South Korea have it much better than those in Japan. What they really need to do is dial up the pressure on new hires not to be lured in by the thought of all their fanboy dreams coming true. As long as someone's willing to take a shit wage, it can only be a shit industry. Keep that up long enough, and it will only be good for producing more shit.

MattAlt

I think Japanese animation has always been undervalued from a cost to performance standpoint. That bang for your buck is why American production companies turned to Japan in the Eighties (as you know, a huge amount of weekday afternoon and Saturday morning programming was animated there.)

That was fine so long as the anime industry was operating on the margins of society, but now that it is being positioned as a cornerstone of Japanese "soft power" (mayor Shintaro Ishihara chairs the Tokyo Anime Fair, and the Tokyo metropolitan government is producing textbooks for budding animators now), someone needs to address the conditions there. In a future post I'm going explore what exactly the Japanese government is and isn't doing on that front.

Common Japanese words

hmm. I didn't know that Japan had such a large problem with it's animation field. I did know that a lot of the animation is outsourced to Korea now though.

emon

japan animation like that? i didn't know if japan animation was so bad, it was your experience in that country or just gossip?

Brent P. Newhall

::clears throat::

I sympathize with the plight of Japanese animators. These are poor working conditions.

However, as others have said, animation in America isn't that great, either. It's a step up, but not a big one: American animation companies routinely lay off the majority of animators after every project. Even Disney did this until very recently; most of the early Pixar staffers were animators laid off from Disney.

Also, a lot of American animators do *not* get full salary or benefits. Heck, check the back page of any issue of Animation Magazine; every issue has a full-page ad encouraging animators to unionize. A quote: "Are you sick and tired of being abused by your non-union employer? Fed up with working overtime without pay?"

Animation's not so rosy anywhere, sadly.

Jeff

"I am fascinated how several of the posters use the long-abandoned 'Japanimation' name"

In Japanese, "anime" just means "animation" (from any country). It's just an abbreviated form of the the Japanese approximation of the word, "anime-shon". アニメーション⇒アニメ

marion

What? I thought animators are rich. I can't even imagine that there salaries are just 30k yen. Thanks for the info.

baby phat scrubs

@marion, i am not familiar with anime industries but i like watching animes. I think its a normal salary for animators like the stories in BAKUMAN which they tried to create an anime of animators.

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