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    Naturally, I'm of two minds on the subject.

    On the one hand, there's nothing more funny than otaku whining and crying about their hobby, the sense of entitlement some have, the mad crack habit desire...geeze, there's someone we both know who often snaps up this stuff and turns around to sell it a week or a month later. Now, I'm all in favor of free enterprise and all but seems to me if people just bought the stuff they ACTUALLY WANTED there would be less crying and moaning.

    OTOH, the circle is getting tighter and tighter. At some point the collecters are going to say 'screw this' and focus on vintage sofubi again, and those few garage companies that license.

    Seems to ME that if making sofubi is as low tech as I seem to recall and you're a specialist manufacturer, you'd want to make as MUCH as the market will take, and reserve wacky variations for special events. and maybe that's what's happening and I don't know because it's not my thing.

    All I know is I want my Balanadon and gang of Gamilas officer sofubi. And I want that circle to make Earth chara too.

    And I want one of those smoke emitting Godzilla hand puppets.

    Ugh, "Urban vinyl"? I think you should head over to kidrobot.com for that garbage. There is NOTHING urban about what you have in that picture, I see nothing more then TOP OF THE LINE JAPANESE VINYL. Get your facts straight before writing more god awful articles littered with innaccuracies.

    I guess you can't stop every moron from talking shit about subjects they know NOTHING about. Nice newsflash, you retard.

    Something you need to understand is the reason these figures are so limited is not to manufacture an illusion of scarcity but because they are HAND PAINTED (in many cases, by the artists who designed them). Companies usually consist of 1-3 people doing all the painting. Many sofubi companies conist of ONE person doing EVERYTHING, and then selling figures at shows.

    So, it's not a conspiracy to create uber scarcity and whip up collector frenzy, as is the case with "chase" figures from companies like Medicom, Kidrobot, etc. whose decisions to produce 1 or 1,000 are entirely based on marketing considerations.

    Also, your numbers are off. Most "new kaiju" figures are made in runs of 50 or less. Again, a major reason for this is because they are hand painted by a small number of people.

    It's on the internet so it must be true . . . . NOT!

    So much wrong information in a such a short feature!

    Wow. Looks like I struck a raw nerve.

    Just for the record, what I wrote was in no way intended to denigrate the effort of the many talented individuals working in the designer vinyl medium. Anyone with the passion to go through the expense and effort of producing short runs of toys, "pachi-mono," licensed, or otherwise, is a mack daddy as far as I'm concerned.

    However, I don't buy hand-painting as the sole reason for the short production runs. Marusan and Bullmark, among many other companies, released similar hand-painted soft vinyl figures in large numbers from the late '60s through the '70s, so the hand labor isn't what's holding the numbers down per se. It's because the vast majority of Japanese designer vinyl makers insist on producing their products in Japan. They could just as easily produce them in larger numbers in China with a hand-painted feel, but choose not to for a variety of reasons: partly for the quality control but mainly for the "made in Japan" cachet.

    Since there isn't a huge market for the products that a lot of these companies produce, they're dependent on the "lifestyle" aspect to discriminiate their products from those in the so-called mainstream. This isn't necessarily a negative thing -- in fact, it's pretty savvy -- until your business expands. When it does, customers who bought into the "outsider" hook begin accusing you of selling out, and new ones start getting left out when there isn't enough supply to meet demand. The point I was making isn't that they're "bad" or "wrong," but that that this sort of business model (and it is a definite business model) is a delicate balance.

    I think you need to learn to differentiate between "handpainted" by someone on an assembly line in China and "handpainted" by the actual artist who sculpted the figure and came up with the paint scheme. There's a huge difference.

    If you think everything's about money and marketing, well, there's nothing more anyone can say, is there. Can't argue with a hardened cynic. ;-)

    Do you really believe the original artist who sculpted the Bullmark vinyl kaiju painted each of them by hand....? They and most vintage Japanese toys, including the ones that inspire many designer vinyl makers today, were assembled and painted by people working on assembly lines. Does that devalue them in your eyes, out of curiosity?

    I was referring to new sofubi. I love vintage toys. My comments weren't directed at them, but at your characterization of the independent sofubi scene. Your analysis seems clouded by preconceptions of the manufacturing and marketing of Western vinyl. Apples and oranges, that game and pachi kaiju.

    At the end of the day you mostly come across as kind of bitter. Kick back, have a cold one, pop in some old Ultraman tapes. Otaku Up, baby! ;-)

    I think your article should have included how the internet has an effect on this stuff... especially when 80%+ of the production run for BAPE and the toys usually ends up on ebay or YJA. just seems empty w/o mentioning that.

    Chal Richards, annoyed, and Scary Andy seem like sober-minded, well-reasoned individuals.

    To sketch out what I see as the core of Matt's essay with crayons:

    Toys = Fun

    Toys - Availability = Less fun

    I'd sketch more but I'm out of construction paper.

    "They could just as easily produce them in larger numbers in China with a hand-painted feel, but choose not to for a variety of reasons: partly for the quality control but mainly for the "made in Japan" cachet."

    You're a fucking idiot.

    Way to get the kiddies riled, Matthew. You idiot, you.

    By the way, pissed off skullbrainers are annoying little buggers. Way worse than the worst TBDX days...

    This'll probably blow your mind, but I love a lot of new kaiju toys too. I've got a Zagoran sitting on my shelf, and you can see a U.S. Toys Baltan and an Empire set of "Daikaiju Trump" I picked up at Wonderfest just a few posts down.

    All I'm saying (and if the defensive, invective-filled replies I've been getting are any indication, it seems to have struck a chord) that the stance of many designer vinyl companies is carefully crafted. It's designed to avoid destroying the perception of "outsider" cred they've built up with their fans, rather than determined by the limitations of manufacturing or the forces of the marketplace.

    The companies that made the toys that influence the designs of many urban vinyl manufacturers -- think Marusan or Bullmark or Takatoku, or Popy -- were run by people who put business ahead of art. If it had been possible to make their toys in China for cheaper back then, they would have (as evidenced by the fact that the majority of mainstream Japanese toy production occurs there today). Ironically, that that same approach appears to be anathema to many designer-toy companies and consumers. As a fan of desinger vinyl yourself, why do you think that is?

    A major reason is because the quality of the vinyl and paint used in China is horrendous compared to the materials used in Japan. Quality control is also seriously lacking for the "designer toys" made in China.

    You seem convinced that pachi kaiju companies are part of a cartel that carefully crafts its image to sell collectors a "lifestyle package" which subverts people into buying their figures. Again, I have to say I think you're mistakenly lumping sofubi with Western (or "urban") vinyl. I'll say it again: apples and oranges.

    "You seem convinced that pachi kaiju companies are part of a cartel that carefully crafts its image to sell collectors a 'lifestyle package' which subverts people into buying their figures."

    Matt will have his own reply, but I would actually agree with this paragraph, Andy, if the words "cartel" and "subverts" weren't part of it. I don't believe that these companies are working in concert with each other, and I think collectors are making their own purchasing choices without being coerced.

    I would definitely agree, though, that the ultra limited edition aspect of these enhances demand (and after-market pricing) far beyond what it should be. But does it have to be like this? Marmit, M1GO, Marusan, etc. have been selling figures for years, in runs of hundreds using the same "hand painted" methods. And they're not huge operations compared to some of the pachimon folks.

    And I think the "lifestyle package" phrase definitely fits here, because many of the same outfits like Secret Base, Gargamel, etc. do sell clothing and jewelry along with the toys.

    "Again, I have to say I think you're mistakenly lumping sofubi with Western (or 'urban') vinyl. I'll say it again: apples and oranges."

    Distinguishing these companies by using "Western" and "Eastern" or "Urban" and "Pachimon" or whatever really doesn't make much of a difference when they're using the same sales and/or marketing strategies.

    I wanted to add I *do* think there is at least one major sofubi company that regularly engages in the "intentionally limited" game to rustle up otaku fever. And yes, I would say that particular company is going after the "lifestyle" jackpot. (I'm not talking about Gargamel, BTW.)

    So I don't mean to say all sofubi companies are created alike. Just as we should not lump Western vinyl and pachi vinyl companies together, so should we look at each sofubi company on its own merits (or shortcomings) case by case.

    Also, in my mind, it's *critical* to note that in some (a small handful, anyway) sofubi companies, *all* of the painting is done in house, typically by one or a small number of people. For example, when I buy a Charactics toy, I *know* it was painted by Takahashi-san and not by someone on an assembly line. That may not be important to some collectors, but it is to me.

    I'm not going to get into the art vs. toy run around discussion, but (to me anyway) the craftsmanship and artistry involved in the creation of these figures should not be discounted.

    I appreciate your insights. I am as much a proponed of soft vinyl as an artistic medium as anyone, but I am fascinated to see a material once used to reach as many people as possible (i.e., kids, the main clientele back in the '60s) being ever-restricted by price and limited numbers to a clubby inner circle of die-hard collectors and "investors." This is essentially the complaint I heard repeated from a variety of individuals at Wonderfest and on the internet.

    Hmm, I hear what you're saying, but I was also at Wonderfest, and very few sofubi companies totally sold out of everything. There really is plenty out there for the choosing. Also, if anything, the number of figures put out for each new run is *increasing* to meet the larger demand. I've seen this from nearly every sofubi company.

    Anyway I think most hobbies are made up of "clubby inner circles" (or maybe several separate clubby circles) - at least when it comes to the hard-core collectors. ;-)

    This post seems pretty accurate to me. I'm pretty sure many of the "designer sofubi" companies are still learning the marketing game, though. But they will learn from Bandai soon enough and then things will be as boring as SOC. Or maybe NOT!

    I can see where you're coming from with the categorization issue. But I do find it a little ironic that a group of people so image-conscious that they are offended by the term "urban vinyl" seem to be equally offended by an observation that their hobby is largely founded upon image-consciousness.

    Also: the fact that very few sofubi makers sold out of everything at the show could well be the first hard evidence of the fad starting to fade. Only time will tell.

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