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    Ginrai

    Wow, that sounds even more obscure and humorous in a deeply self-referential way than Oshii's "Red Spectacles", which also featured a weird obsession with stand up noodle bars, even though it was live action.

    Matt

    Funny you mention Red Eyes (I think that's the "official" translation), as it's the first film I thought of after seeing Tachiguishi Retsuden. Both were very talky, deliberately paced, etc., etc. Even with a translation, I think the majority of the references are going to sail over most Americans' heads. They sure did over mine.

    Ginrai

    I was going off the name written on the DVD box I have. :) I'm certain a lot of Red Eyes or whatever you want to call it went right over my head, but I have spent so much time studying German Expressionist film and film noir that I certainly got a lot of -that- stuff anyway.

    Does Tachiguishi Retsuden have the same dramatic and abrupt tonal shifts? I mean, with Red Spectacles/Eyes, one minute it's a serious film noir, the next it's a goofy metatextual comedy, then a moment later it has drifted into a David Lynch/Waking Life sort of dream logic, and then it's an action movie, then it's guys standing around quoting at each other (rather like Innocence).

    Basically every Oshii movie I've seen has been, as you say, talky and deliberately paced (even Ghost in the Shell and Patlabor 2 are like that), but I haven't seen any others that jerk around like that, even if they're all full of quotation. I like that he builds kind of a textual texture (if you'll forgive the pun) into his films by stuffing it full of other people's words. It's almost like collage or other forms of postmodern art, retasking something that already exists.

    Maybe instead of found sound it's more like found philosophy?

    I'd love to see this movie, but I seriously doubt any American company would commit to such a project, but maybe some really enterprising/masochistic fan group will try their hands at it.

    Probably no point in braving it straight Japanese.

    Matt

    Oshii's such a huge name now, I can't imagine someone not picking up the rights to it, but whoever translates it is really going to have their work cut out for them. You'd probably need three or more lines of subtitle text to convey certain dense scenes. I suspect it might actually work better dubbed.

    Anyway. Being a dark comedy -- perhaps satire would be a better term -- it's filled with abrupt shifts in tone. A good example of the "humor" in it is the scene introducing "Crying" Mitsuhisa. It goes into a five minute segue, filled with graphs and charts, to compare his treatment by society to the Tokyo government's campaign to rid the city of stray dogs in the '50s and '60s using poison. Not exactly ha-ha funny. The humor in the film is in its ability to maintain an unrelentingly straight face through it all.

    Ginrai

    That sounds very much in keeping with Red. Interesting. Well, now I really want to see it. I hope you're right that Oshii's uh, brand power, if you will, is enough to get some a strange, avant garde Japanese movie released here.

    I know Oshii has spoken about Godard influencing him (of course, I find Oshii's works interesting and off beat, if slow, while I find Godard's just slow and pretentious). It's cool to me that this kind of thing is getting a wider audience due to Oshii's association with anime (Ghost more than anything, I'd say). Can you imagine a film like this ever coming to US shores without someone like Oshii's name selling it? I can't.

    I thought the torture scene in Red was hilarious, for what it's worth.

    Ginrai

    Hey, news on this movie. Apparently it's showing in Venice: http://www.animeondvd.com/news/pr.php?pr_view=747

    Now it just has to come here!

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